In attendance (by order of appearance):
Digigardner: Bruce Damer
Joyful Pilgrim: Ruth Peltier
Paulix: Paul Mcilvenny
Time Traveler: ???
Selda: Michele ???
Ola: Ola Fosheim Grøstad
Glitha: Amber Eble
MockingBird: Chris Langton
Gypsy8: Shelley Bibeau
This transcript provided by Paul Mcilvenny. Pictures by Bruce Damer. Thanks to both! Please send name additions/corrections to T.L.Taylor.
Digigardener: you can log this text directly you know Joyful Pilgrim: yep you set your visibility to 120 and it is a very good simulation Digigardener: Options Chat, log to file taylor: btw jp, that's a heck of an outfit you have on. quite a change from ds < lol > ;) Digigardener: yes, good idea Digigardener: jp, who and where are you in the rl taylor: yep, i'll start a log around 1 bruce. can you get a screenshot for me then? Digigardener: yup taylor: thanks Digigardener: oh, someone flying in, turn around! Digigardener: hi paulix Digigardener: look up taylor: bruce, i'm shocked. you use the term "rl"?? < g > paulix: hi Digigardener: behind you Digigardener: hehhe Digigardener: u are in flight taylor: < lol > heyya up there taylor: from here you look like you are on a snowmobile paulix: flying in from the north taylor: ah, maybe you are < g > paulix: santa claus Digigardener: you part of socioanthro? taylor: < lol > paulix: i think so... :) taylor: good to meet you paulix paulix: and u all taylor: do i know you in some other incarnation? < g > paulix: is this the place to meet? taylor: yep paulix: i don't think so taylor: wow, very cool transport < g > Joyful Pilgrim: I have no imagination I am the same name in all worlds taylor: < g > jp paulix: flying in from Denmark... u need cool transport taylor: < lol > ah, wonderful! taylor: glad to see our attempts at finding a good time drew in some non-u.s. folks. well, folk right now < g > taylor: hello seagull < g > paulix: it's 7pm here... but should i be out socialising in RL??? Kilesa: :) Digigardener: bruce damer here from califiornia taylor: ahhh, kelisa!! good to see you :) Digigardener: but i am in a hotel room in milwaukee wisconsin! Joyful Pilgrim: Hello Kilesia taylor: < lol > we should've guessed bruce taylor: whatcha doing in wisconsin? Digigardener: wow good crwod! Digigardener: crowd Kilesa: hi JP :) taylor: heh, and it's not even 1 yet taylor: bruce, you realize we are twins ay? < g > Joyful Pilgrim: Hello Time Travler taylor: i was asking bruce to model avs for me earlier ;) Time Travler: Hi Joyful Pilgrim taylor: heyya tt Time Travler: Hello Taylor paulix: hi TT Digigardener: well this is grea, Digigardener: we will have to get a good group photo Kilesa: hi TT taylor: < lol > bruce taylor: so paulix, do you kinda just hang out on your hovercraft? < g > Time Travler: Hi Kilesa Time Travler: hi diggigardener Digigardener: see the sign Digigardener: guys, turn around and see the black sign paulix: sorry... i was away... hanging in Digigardener: i just put there Joyful Pilgrim: Indeed nice sign LOL paulix: beautific Time Travler: neat taylor: heh Digigardener: so what is the topic TL, pedagogical worlds? taylor: actually, it was on the cmu study paulix: or deep blues? taylor: but, we will have to see how many folks were actually able to get the article Digigardener: how about that paulix: i attempted to read it... slugged through the stats taylor: looks good taylor: ah, you were one of the smart ones to pull it ahead of time then Joyful Pilgrim: I need it for a paper I was writing so I got is early taylor: their server has been down all morning taylor: oh, you got it too jp? cool paulix: i'm not sure if i was smart to read it :-) taylor: now i'm feeling like a goof for having procrastinated < g > taylor: < g > paulix paulix: don't put off tomorrow... taylor: yeah yeah ;) taylor: hmm, i don't suppose anyone has a dig copy they can throw up on a server somewhere? Digigardener: well, shall we get ready for a group photo? taylor: don't want to wait for the others bruce? paulix: sorry... Time Travler: Ok Joyful Pilgrim: I have the file I think Time Travler: group photo :-) Joyful Pilgrim: Let me look Digigardener: if you all stand where I am now.. taylor: jp, do you have a site you can put it up at? Joyful Pilgrim: no but is it too big to ICQ to you? Digigardener: just email the html to me and I can put it up right here taylor: hmm, i'm not on my reg machine and i don't think i have icq on this one taylor: cool. thanks bruce Digigardener: as an attachement file taylor: i don't think jp has your email address? Digigardener: reach me via our Webmaster taylor: < brb > Digigardener: come on all forward for the photo in the meantime Joyful Pilgrim: BRB Digigardener: stand by me, like the song says paulix: shall we join arms? :) selda: hello? Time Travler: Back sorry Digigardener: yup, stand right here Time Travler: Had someone at the door Digigardener: stand by the sign here and i will go in front and take the shot taylor: hello selda Digigardener: where kilesa is Digigardener: good taylor selda: hi taylor...is someone making a log of the discussion? Digigardener: you can all log it by setting in Options Chat taylor: yep, we will start the log in a few. still waiting for folks to arrive selda: I can't stay very long.... taylor: right, everyone can make their own copy as well if they like paulix: i'm recording this to video... if nobody minds? Time Travler: How is this Digigardener Joyful Pilgrim: On its way I had to find the right floppy Digigardener: ok, everyone stand where time trav and taylor and kilesa are taylor: ah, too bad. selda, what is your name on the list? Digigardener: paulix, come forward paulix: ok? Digigardener: video away taylor: selda, come forward and get in this picture < g > taylor: bruce has been trying to corall us for awhille now < g > paulix: baa baa Digigardener: ok, ready taylor: < lol > Digigardener: smile selda: Taylor, I'm Michele...we're on a couple of lists Time Travler: :-) taylor: ahh, hiya :) selda: :-) Digigardener: selda come into the picture Digigardener: walk forward Digigardener: to the sign selda: here? Joyful Pilgrim: I am being careful usually evertime i more very far in active worlds i change worlds Joyful Pilgrim: my aim is not too good taylor: ack, not a good thing jp < g > paulix: wow! < g > Digigardener: shot Time Travler: ok taylor: heh, you almost ran over my toes there paulix Joyful Pilgrim: Kelesia do not let your altar ego see that avatar paulix: sorry... Kilesa: :) taylor: < lol > paulix: lolly herbert: ( taylor: ah, hello two new folks! selda: brb Digigardener: ok, got great pictures, i will send them to you taylor taylor: bruce, you are going to have to retake this when more folks arrive :) Time Travler: Hi Herbert taylor: come on over herbert and whoever the other person is < g > Digigardener: we can do pix on the tour Digigardener: yes, get into the picture herbert: where taylor: < lol > i can just picture you at parties bruce Time Travler: JP don't back up that is a teleport back there taylor: come forward herbert herbert: ok Digigardener: i am impossible Time Travler: oops taylor: < lol > i bet paulix: pass the volavents Time Travler: she already did Digigardener: walk toward us herbert Joyful Pilgrim: I told you all that I would do that Digigardener: hey tourists taylor: < lol > jp Digigardener: ola hello Ola: Hi herbert: whar's up? Time Travler: Hi Ola taylor: ahh, hello ola! good to meet you finally :) herbert: hi paulix: hej ola Joyful Pilgrim: Hi ola taylor: and herbert, do i know you by another name? Digigardener: anyone running on a macintosh? Ola: Gee, didn't know Bruce and Taylor were twins?!! :) herbert: guess not taylor: < g > taylor: < lol > i know amazing ay? Digigardener: there, i am now a harold Time Travler: Macintosh?? No Way herbert: neither did i taylor: heh. he was modeling avs for me earlier taylor: that's much better bruce < g > taylor: ah, another new person. hello over there! herbert: (: taylor: come on over Sylvio: hello:o) Digigardener: wow, now we might be getting strangers Ola: :offers everyone a cup of tea.. Time Travler: Hello Sylvio taylor: you think bruce? Ola: Hmms. paulix: sip.. mmmm herbert: coooooool Digigardener: ready for a tour of TheU taylor: well, maybe once everyone is here we can do intros Time Travler: Ok Joyful Pilgrim: I tried to use a mac in the computer lab.....never even managed to turn it on Sylvio: yes herbert: yep Digigardener: flashcrowd! taylor: oh no, let's wait a sec bruce taylor: more folks might still be coming Time Travler: hehehe jp Ola: I was here the other day to get a preview :-) The virtualhighschool was a lot of fun! Digigardener: this is an impressive group, whre is everone from taylor: sylvio, are you here for the meeting? Time Travler: United States Digigardener: we will go to the vhs too Digigardener: california Ola: Norway herbert: germany# paulix: denamrk Sylvio: Canada but i was only visiting Joyful Pilgrim: Tennessee here taylor: ah < g > taylor: cambridge, u.s. Time Travler: Yep Tennessee for me also Sylvio: meeting about what? taylor: this is a meeting of the socioanthro sig for the contact consortium taylor: a reading group Digigardener: hello patrice, welcome to the meeting Patrice: Hello there ! herbert: how old are u all taylor: hi patrice paulix: hvordan gar det, ola? Digigardener: Patric worked on the earliest virtual university in Florence italy herbert: hi Joyful Pilgrim: Hello Patrice Sylvio: 19 taylor: ah, wonderful Patrice: Hi all Sand: Hi taylor: i'm still looking for her ,g> taylor: hi sand. come on over Time Travler: Hi sand taylor: are you here for the s/a meeting? Joyful Pilgrim: Hello sand Sand: I'm glad to see you Patrice: what a change since Florence taylor: can folks say if they got a chance to read the article for today? taylor: that server has been down Joyful Pilgrim: I did Time Travler: I skimmed it looked good taylor: anyone else? Digigardener: yes,there is so much more going on in virtual worlds pedagogy now Ola: I did Taylor!! taylor: < g > taylor: 3. hmm, others? Joyful Pilgrim: did bruce get my e-mail ? herbert: why are monica lewinskis cheeks so fat? Kilesa: I read it awhile back :) Ola: 4, I read it twicw. Digigardener: got it Ola: twice that is taylor: i don't know, though, i'm beginning to think we are out of luck on it taylor: twice. impressive ola ;) taylor: < g > kilesa taylor: well, we can either try to discuss it, despite everyone not having read it.. Ola: Hmm.. but only half of it.. it got kinda boring in the middle. taylor: or have bruce take us on a tour, etc of theu taylor: opinions? paulix: lots of stats taylor: < nods > Joyful Pilgrim: too bad it wqas the end part that got interesting taylor: which would folks like to do? article or tour? Digigardener: making it into html now Joyful Pilgrim: When he got around to drawing the conclusion it was very interesting Time Travler: What will the tour consist of? The teleports here or all of active worlds? Ola: Oh yeah, but I did read the beginning and the end. HEHE taylor: thanks bruce. if nothing else, we can redirect people to it taylor: < g > ola Kilesa: teleports are scary :( taylor: < lol > taylor: i think that's the quotable quote from this session kilesa < g > Kilesa: :) taylor: hmm, so, no preferences on what we do? paulix: r we socialising yet? paulix: :) taylor: < lol > Digigardener: find the article at < no longer available at ccon >. Joyful Pilgrim: I would love to discuss the article but then i read it LOL taylor: < g > Time Travler: :-) Ola: I'm not sure if I agree with how they got to the conclusion, but I kinda agree with the conclusion anyways.. taylor: i've not had a chance to read it myself. so i won't have much to say Digigardener: it is a mess but i quickly converted it from .doc herbert: why are monica lewinskis cheeks so fat??because she tries to hide evidences taylor: ola, can you summerize their conclusion? Ola: Oh you had it on a wordfile?? Digigardener: ok, want to do the tour first or the discussion Joyful Pilgrim: sorry I just d/l it for myself so I did nto try too hard LOL Digigardener: herbert, pls watch your language, this is a meeting here herbert: soory Time Travler: can we not have that being discussed today Ola: Conclusion: we should consider social implications of the internet when we design it. HEHE taylor: hmm, maybe we should just do the tour bruce. seems we aren't quite all up to speed on the article < g > taylor: < lol > ah, nice and broad herbert: I#ll go cu Time Travler: It is bad enought that the presidents troubles beat out an earthquake in ohio and the Hurricane hitting flordia taylor: okay, tour! :) Digigardener: everyone, if you doubple click on the CMU study sign you will get the article herbert: bye paulix: and a lot of wild speculation about causal mechanisms to cover the stats results Ola: "Both as a nation and as individual consumers, we must balance the value of the Internet for information, communication, and" Digigardener: on the black sign, above your heads there, i have linked in the article taylor: yeah, from what little i read, the causality issue is one of the most problematic paulix Digigardener: should come up inyour explorer frame or in netscape separately paulix: usually is with quantitative studies taylor: < g > paulix: what we need is quality < g > taylor: easier said than done ;) Joyful Pilgrim: also as far as I could see none of their subjects had discovered virtual worlds taylor: ah, interesting jp. how do you think that would've altered the outcomes? Joyful Pilgrim: He mentions that the study was done before ICQ taylor: is there a breakdown in it of the kinds of activities folks were engaged in? Glitha: but this article seems awfully skewed taylor: what do you think they wouldn't get from chat rooms jp? Ola: much disengagement from real life, it can also be harmful. Until the technology evolves to be more beneficial, people should moderate how much they use the Internet and monitor the uses to which they put it. taylor: hi glitha Glitha: and in the opposite direction considering the "sponsers" Glitha: hi taylor: glitha, do i know you from the list? trying to get a sense of who is here :) Glitha: if anything the net has increased my involvement with family Digigardener: folks, i just made the CMU study document much better, press refresh on your browsers, or click on the CMU study sign again Joyful Pilgrim: his point seems to be that the internet ispolates people anf causes them to have more superficial relationshipa taylor: some interesting terms there ola. in particular, disengagement and real life taylor: < nods > and it sounds like there is some disagreement here with that idea Joyful Pilgrim: I can see how surfing and news groups could so that Joyful Pilgrim: but VR worlds work the other way Glitha: brb..family RL needs me Ola: Yeah Taylor, especially the REAL LIFE thing.. taylor: < nods to ola > Digigardener: Vritual Worlds have me flying all over the earth meeting new people Ola: But, I agree that when making software for schools one should try to focus on socializing in homework, not only reference. taylor: i didn't catch if someone answered, do they detail in any way the specifics of what their study folks were doing online? Joyful Pilgrim: I KNOW that i am more social now than before I found WA in either world Kilesa: maybe if you have an avatar it makes it less superficial too - as opposed to just chat rooms I mean Joyful Pilgrim: yes they do taylor: interesting paulix: do they? Joyful Pilgrim: and he mentioned that even ICQ was not avaoiable taylor: < nods > Digigardener: but using virtual worlds has such a powerful effect on my mine, i see the outside world differently taylor: it's interesting bruce, you are saying your online time has increased your offline connections? Joyful Pilgrim: and they also say that in chat rooms you are required to remain on topic paulix: there wasn't any analysis of content and online activities in detail Joyful Pilgrim: so they are takling about the ones that are opart of newsgroups taylor: < nods > i really think being specific about activities is key Digigardener: defininitely so paulix: they recorded total online time per week... but what were they up to? taylor: bruce, do you think if you weren't involved in worlds it would be the same? do you have past net usage to compare it to? Digigardener: i think they are running on 3 to 5 year old technology, as is usual in academia (present company excluded :) Ola: Heh, Digi... We had Jonathan Grudin teaching at our Uni. He said you live out in the woods with the virtual worlds. taylor: < g > taylor: < lol > Joyful Pilgrim: < G > Time Travler: Who is Grudin? taylor: the truth about bruce's offline life revealed! ;) Digigardener: yes, i spend most online time in email, yes, Jonathan, is a super guy Digigardener: i live on a farm in the redwood forest and use a heavy dose of nature to counterbalance the effects of heavy world use taylor: hmm, so it sounds like there is a sense amongst this group that they really should've talked about exactly what folks were doing online and that that is important to the story? Digigardener: hippies in the santa cruz mtns use to us gunja! paulix: vr sickness... taylor: < g > taylor: it's interesting though bruce, that you counterpose nature and technology. but that's a whole other discussion < g > Digigardener: in fact, NASA has characterized disorientation in virtual world users along with "orbital syndrome".. Digigardener: which shuttle astronauts experience when on EVA Digigardener: hell chris langton! Digigardener: hello that is Ola: HEHE, I kinda do the same thing. I basically have no social contact with the people here out on the countryside. Pop back into the city every now and then. But there I long for the fresh air.. taylor: hrm, "vr sickness" and disorientation are very particular symptoms MockingBird: Hell yourself! < grin > paulix: heim toys with it in his VIRTUAL REALISM taylor: hello there Digigardener: we are talking about the CMU study, click on the sign to get it taylor: yep paulix Digigardener: Chris is a pioneer in the artificial life worlds.. which we are hoping to see soon taylor: i don't really go in for dichotimizing things this way. but it interests me that folks do taylor: ah, wonderful. good to have you join us chris. are you on the list as well? paulix: deconstruct or bust!!! :) taylor: < lol > Ola: Regarding the study, I do actually agree that there is less substance in internet relationships.. taylor: really ola? why's that? or hmm, based on what? Ola: The lack of a possibility for physical touch is missing. paulix: depends on what is 'substance', i s'pose paulix: smell... taylor: < nods > good point paulix. it strikes me that there are lots of "definitional" issues woven into that study Ola: I know that meeting people I have known for say years online does have an impact. Joyful Pilgrim: beyond a "romantic " relationship Is physical touch important? MockingBird: not on the list as far as I know - just getting the study up on the web-page - I'll be reading while I'm listening... Ola: Yep PG taylor: < nods to mockingbird > Ola: I have near zero physical contact here out on the countryside. Ola: It is lonely even with internet. Gypsy8: Helleo everyone, I'll just listen for a bit < grin > taylor: and how do we sort out when you can have touch, of some sort, inworld? Digigardener: a fair degree of isolation and social shyness does characterize a number of AW citizenry MockingBird: < flaps wings to taylor > taylor: hello gypsy8. welcome. you are here for the meeting? taylor: < grins at mockingbird > Gypsy8: Yes, I am Shelley Digigardener: chis, does this world help you socialize with the rest of your family, your sons? taylor: really bruce? that's intereseting Gypsy8: Abit of a lurker I'm afraid Joyful Pilgrim: Hello Shelly taylor: ah, welcome. np :) Time Travler: Hi Shelly Digigardener: the folks at the Reunion might have been indicative Gypsy8: Loved your book Digi Digigardener: hey, a book reader, thanks! taylor: hmm, i think that is a tough call bruce. it's a self-selected group Ola: taylor, i think the possibility of physical consequences are important. (even to disinhibition) MockingBird: indirectly at the moment - we are never in at the same time, but the kids have socialized a great deal with other kids... Ola: Even if the possibility is only 0.01% taylor: hmm, can you say a bit more about that ola? Time Travler: Yep Digi I finally found your book on amazon .com and got it very nice reading and great cdrom MockingBird: Colin has worked with other kids on building towns - and it has been very good for him, I think.. Digigardener: the Univ Washington HIT lab is studying the clinical psychological effects of world us MockingBird: Colin is 12 taylor: ah, mockingbird, you are an online family? Ola: Taylor, being linked to a chain does matter, even if you do not intend to leave. Staying behind a solid glass wall does matter even if you do not want to move. Joyful Pilgrim: that is a study I want to reak Joyful Pilgrim: read Time Travler: lol MockingBird: yes, but as I say, it would be interesting if we could be on simultaneously... Glitha: I'm back Glitha: sorry for crashing your group taylor: hmm, ola, i think we will have to have a session just on embodiment to tease that one out < g > Ola: Multiple embodiement is FUN. Kilesa: :) taylor: < g > ah yep, that it is ;) taylor: so, did anyone actually find the conclusions of the study legitimate? taylor: or some part of it useful? MockingBird: 'fraid I have to go, but I would like to join this group..I did get an undergraduate degree in anthro, how do I join the list? Glitha: still reading Digigardener: well, i think they did not evaluate the overall life changes, the fact people do widen their circle Glitha: just got back Digigardener: http://www.ccon.org/lists chris taylor: http://www.ccon.org/socioanthro mockingbird Gypsy8: I'm concerned about reccommendations to "control" the Internet MockingBird: OK - thanks! - I'll be back (as Arnold says...) paulix: it is interesting to read thew study with their press release on the same web site taylor: what could they have done different to get at that bruce? taylor: < nods > yeah, i noticed that too paulix Glitha: all I can give is anecdotal evidence Digigardener: also they did not note that tv watching is a much less social, lonely and draining activity and that online time directly replaces this soemtimes. Digigardener: an upgrade? paulix: they are cautious about generalising in the interview taylor: < lol > Glitha: but I am now in contact with a group of people taylor: i think they felt some of the backlash/critique against the study by other researchers Glitha: with whom I used to live on a commune Ola: I think that people will use the net more activly in a say 2 years period when everything is new, then they will sortof balance it of.. Glitha: a energy therapies group Glitha: my entire family taylor: < nods > a key point ola. that rampup time is really a whole different scene Ola: I can see this among the CS students I think (informally) paulix: are there many communes'/intentiohnal commmunities meeting online? taylor: interesting glitha Glitha: and friends who being as busy as I find e-mail a sure way tto reach each other taylor: i think so paulix, though, i don't have any hard numbers Gypsy8: Has anyone studied the effect of reading on social interaction? taylor: reading? Ola: Physical friendships have been more lasting than my virtual ones. taylor: ah, i getcha gypsy8 < g > Glitha: good point Gypsy8 Time Travler: Yep good point Gypsy8: Yes, reading books takes away from social contact also. Joyful Pilgrim: indeed! Gypsy8: Makes me wonder about our attitude to new media Glitha: and as a youngster I would agree that reading had a negative effect on my socialization paulix: but builds a reading community... taylor: it is fascinating that so much money would be spent on this question. and that they press release would end up so hyped Ola: Email is good for maintaining physical ones though. Glitha: I'm all for the net Gypsy8: reading is sort of sacrosanct-no one ever says read less chit chat more. Glitha: got my car that way Glitha: got my new job that way taylor: ola, the lasting question is tough. does lasting have to be the final arbitor? Digigardener: the rise of the net should have increased reding and typing skills, Glitha: the only thing I do less of is watch TV taylor: actually, historically reading got a lot of the same bad wrap that comps are getting now Digigardener: remember years ago with MTV everyone was worried about video literacy? Glitha: especially fiction taylor: henry jenkins (at mit) presented something on this once and it was fascinating Ola: taylor , please explain the word "arbitor" Glitha: the bible was ok Digigardener: or that it would be the only literacy? Joyful Pilgrim: actually the question is not is the net good or bad the question should be how can we make it better Glitha: anything else was the devil's handiwork paulix: The study has hit the British press: in New Statesman magazine, the article is called 'Sad, Lonely? Log off and get out: Of course people who surf are depressed" taylor: sorry, i just mean ola, is lasting the key thing by which we will measure stuff by? Gypsy8: lasting can't be the key Glitha: like people who use the telephone are depressed? taylor: ah, that's terrible paulix. now that's depressing Glitha: makes about as much sense Ola: Taylor, I think some stability in friendships is good. Gypsy8: history has its share of golden ages and golden moments Digigardener: of course we need "threaded conversation literacy" now! :) taylor: hmm, stability and lasting strike me as someone different taylor: < g > yep bruce Glitha: Stability does not necessarily mean proximity Gypsy8: aha Ola: I'm not sure if Internet is the ultimate solution for lonely people. taylor: i doubt there is one ultimate solution for lonely people Glitha: I am as good freinds with those I haven't seen in years as those I see daily Ola: You are also very vounerable when it comes to emotional lonelieness. Glitha: maybe better in some cases Gypsy8: I'm not sure loneliness and media are really that connected Glitha: and why would we ask the net to be some sort of cureall taylor: as in, they were lonely when they logged on gypsy? Glitha: that's as illogical as blaming it Gypsy8: true, anyway put me in a barrel of humans and I could still be lonely taylor: < g > Glitha: lonliness does have a delicious side to it paulix: and persecuted, gypsy... Glitha: for short periods Digigardener: do you all want to move to the stimulating geometry room in the VHS to continue the conversation? Glitha: why are we expected to be up and happy all the time Gypsy8: I need distructions Ola: That's the fun room! taylor: i would suggest we stay put to finish this discussion or end and move to the tour :) Digigardener: a nice break Gypsy8: direction < g > Kilesa: does getting there require use of a teleporter? :) taylor: how about before we move on, can everyone just go around and say their offline name for me? taylor: for the log? Digigardener: bruce damer taylor: i'm t.l.taylor Gypsy8: Shelley Bibeau St. Paul Mn Glitha: oh I'm I included? Ola: Well, I think it is important to distinguish between maintaining and establishing friendships online. Time Travler: I perfer not to Joyful Pilgrim: Ruth Peltier taylor: everyone who is here is in the log < g > paulix: paul mcilvenny taylor: okay tt Glitha: I just popped in here by lucky hapinstance taylor: others? Glitha: Amber Eble Ola: I'm personally more interested in the establishing bit. Calunga: H.Ch.Kistner - SP - Brazil taylor: bruce, can you get a shot with this fuller group? taylor: ah, brazil. welcome! Calunga: Hi paulix: come on down... brazil taylor: did we get everyone name wise? taylor: bruce, did we get a new screenshot? Digigardener: by the way if you look up i just put another sign Digigardener: which if you click on it links to the socioanthro home page Glitha: depression stats taylor: i suspect we can continue this discussion on the list if folks are interested. maybe when we've all had a chance to read the article taylor: or at least, those of us who didn't get to yet < g > Digigardener: new shot Joyful Pilgrim: great idea paulix: hee hee paulix: never procrastinate tomorrow... taylor: there were lots of fascinating points raised that could really be discussed in more depth taylor: < g > thanks paulix Gypsy8: yes paulix: u r welcome taylor: i think bruce would like to give us a tour of the theu and show us some of what they've done Gypsy8: their recommendations were interesting taylor: bruce, are we lining up for a pic? taylor: i guess everyone crowd over here for a picture :) Digigardener: i got a new shot and sent it to you already taylor: oh? okay. cool Digigardener: shot Time Travler: :-) paulix: fall downs dead... taylor: as with all the logs, this one will be at the website later today Time Travler: great taylor: bruce, would you like to lead the way? Digigardener: ok Digigardener: eveyrone go thru the VHS geometry portal behind me Ola: Oh no, Bruce killed the bird in two shots1 taylor: < g > Digigardener: here paulix: scary!!! taylor: i think the thing i love most about aw is the sky < g > Time Travler: Hi jp Digigardener: if you are below the floor Ola: Really, I love Atlantis. Digigardener: float up taylor: oh yeah, atlantis is cool Digigardener: hold Shift down and press the plus key Gypsy8: Give me a week to download Digigardener: or join me Digigardener: we can keep talkin while this downloads Time Travler: jp step back here Time Travler: ok Gypsy8: shoulda cached this last night %( Ola: Wot's so scary about teleporting? paulix: too much star trek... Time Travler: This is pretty neat Digigardner taylor: < lol > Digigardener: this is the geometry gallery of the univ california virtual high school Digigardener: an experiemnt for uc santa cruz Ola: OH... Never seen Start Trek. Time Travler: neat paulix: Wot!? No trek in Norway? taylor: folks who are below the floor, hold the shift key and hit the + on the numberpad Ola: paulix, not on public TV anyway. paulix: zombies rise from the floor... taylor: < g > Digigardener: all around are images for complexity and geometry issues, and in the center.. Digigardener: is a tensegrity structure genearted by gerald de jong taylor: wow, some of these images are incredible bruce Digigardener: i see you all turning taylor: < g > Digigardener: this is one of 6 wings of the high school Ola: Mebbie taylor likes flowers. taylor: < lol > i'm enjoying zoning out on some of these ;) taylor: bruce, how many students have come through here so far? Ola: "zoning out"? taylor: zoning out. hmm, like spacing out. kinda like staring at something and thinking "wow" ,g> Gypsy8: it's the season < g > taylor: < g > Ola: season for what? taylor: oooo, come see the fractals everyone! :) Digigardener: this was shown at a special conference for the chancellors and the wholce uc system paulix: depends whose season... taylor: what was the response bruce? Digigardener: we would like to hold a conference on virtual worlds in education next year taylor: cool ay ola? Ola: Good idea digi. Ola: yep Digigardener: very postivie, they funded a version of the ucsc campus, now being built for admissions use Gypsy8: Great idea taylor: wow Digigardener: if you want details contact bonnie devarco at email@example.com taylor: bruce, i might've missed it. who made the images in here? Ola: When I saw this place the other day it kinda changed how I viewed AW. Digigardener: whole bunch of folks, all with permissions taylor: ah Digigardener: there is a tutorial office, Ola: You do click the signs taylor? Digigardener: a language area Digigardener: a science lab Digigardener: etc taylor: yep, just did and got the page. very cool Digigardener: all about academic placement Digigardener: remote learning for high schools in calif Digigardener: experimental taylor: so bruce, students are using this particular space now? Digigardener: well, come to the Science lab with me? Ola: Too bad we cant see what other people do. That's an area where VWs are generally lacking..... :-(((( taylor: do in what regard ola? Digigardener: buckmisnster fullerenes project Digigardener: by as student Digigardener: righ here Digigardener: there is arealaudio transcript by her Ola: He was popular in the late 60s, early 70s? Digigardener: tell everyone to join me Glitha: ok Digigardener: use the join feature in the contacts lis taylor: dangit, i don't like how i keep hitting something and popping my browser up though taylor: okay bruce Digigardener: sorry, that is a bump panel taylor: < lol > i figured Glitha: This is name dropping but I heard Bucky Fuller sing at the Foxhole in Philly Digigardener: if you have IE installed it comes up in a window in side AW Ola: taylor, in all regards.VWs doesn't portray ppls actions... Gypsy8: me three Digigardener: if you like IE :) taylor: ah, only ns on this machine Gypsy8: choice? Digigardener: this is a webquest ring about buckyenes Digigardener: and the student narrates i Digigardener: it with realaudio taylor: hmm, well, they do to a degree ola. but if you mean activity outside the world, no, that's true Digigardener: if you click here you will giet the audio Ola: eh, I meant in the world. And they don't. Except for killing. ehhee Ola: I didn't see you click on the sign! taylor: i must be misunderstanding you ola because certainly lots of worlds show what the other person is doing taylor: ah, right, but that is more generating activity outside the world Digigardener: well folks i have to get going now taylor: though, i agree, in general it would be nice if the outside/inside line wasn't so clear Digigardener: bookmark this teleport Ola: Nope. it is your inworlds action. taylor: ah, okay. thanks for the tour bruce :) Ola: I cannot watch you and learn from it. taylor: good to see you again! Digigardener: you should have all hte pix from me taylor: i follow what you mean now ola. i agree, it would be good if you could sometimes see what another was doing Digigardener: i hope you all participate in Avatars 98 Digigardener: you will have a booth, time in the schedule for a discussion pod taylor: argh! this is so frustrating. i'm stuck next to this dang bump panel Kilesa: :) paulix: lol paulix: bump and boogie taylor: < lol > thanks for all your sympathy guys taylor: now, help!!!! < g > Gypsy8: < g > Ola: I'l come to your rescue TAYLOR!! taylor: < lol > Kilesa: can't ya fly over it? Digigardener: join me taylor taylor: you've been mudding too long ola < g > Ola: HI! Digigardener: this was a great discussion today. very multi threaded Digigardener: enjoy the vhs and see you all at avatars 98 Ola: You are safe now... *console* Digigardener: nov 21st saturday, all day taylor: ack! that was bad. i had to close ns taylor: < lol > ola Time Travler: Ok Gypsy8: Thanks for the tour Calunga: Thanx - Dg.... paulix: thanx for the tour Gypsy8: see you at A98 Ola: Leaving Bruce? paulix: ditto :) Joyful Pilgrim: yes thank you digi Digigardener: you are all welcome, keep on reading and discussing taylor: alright, i guess i will be heading off as well Digigardener: i have to go now Joyful Pilgrim: bye tayolr Joyful Pilgrim: taylor taylor: thanks all for coming out for the meeting. good to see you all!
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